Health, Homeostasis, and Disease -- Individual and Collective The Analysis Thanks to J. Wager for the interesting comment. "Or "ecology." If mankind is "diseased" then mankind might be cured. But if mankind IS the "disease," and the environment is the real patient, perhaps the only way to "cure" the planet is to remove the cause of the disease?" Indeed. If one revises the _title_ (or subtitle) of Gehlen's book, it does sound so _apocalyptic_: "Man, and its place in nature" -- I cannot recall the German now, but it's in the Wiki article. His teacher was of course Scheler, and we had to read that. Scheler I found more congenial, and not too different from what Aristotle is saying in the 'progression' of 'orders' in the natural kingdom from 'lower' animals to 'man'. I always found a bit "too German" though the last stages of the Scheler -- or indeed Nikolai Hartmann -- another of Gehlen's tutors -- progression. When man becomes the only animal able to _objectivise the spirit_. It is from reading German philosophy like that, and their loose use of the word 'geist' that I become uncomfortable when L. K. Helm uses 'spirit' in the subject-line of a post! Now, Scheler and Hartmann were not necessarily into disease. Apparently it was Plessner, who had studied biology at depth, who comes with the idea that man _is_ the disease _of the kosmos_ (or Welt) (I forget the strict title) and therefore also _diseased_, I believe. There was a lot of comparison with 'higher apes', and the thing is not much different from readings into 'ethology'. "Ecology" we deal with at the secondary-school level, in an all too plain boring level. The habitat and the eco-system, and the rest of it. I suppose it comes out as natural that the presence of man will bring some changes to the 'eco-system'. This anti-humanistic page I was visiting (but it scared me, because they said, "kill the retarded", when I do not think that they can provide much of a spoil in the eco-system, never mind their dignity as human beings, but that's what the anti-humanist is denying) brought issues like: --- overpopulation, and the need for population control. Which I think would be a good idea in Buenos Aires. Recoleta is becoming _so_ crowded (:-)), especially on a nice Sunday afternoon -- not what it used to be -- with everybody reading the Sunday newspapers in the sun. --- emmigration (and perhaps tourism unless it's eco-tourism) should be forbidden. If you think of it, half of the street cafe tables are occupied by tourists from the world over, and the local may have to wait for a few minutes. Surely this is something of anti-humanist concern. Why are these people _here_ in the first place? --- Judy Evans was referring to older people. I think it's Ned Sherrin who said that they can always index unindexed books. That's something that will keep them entertained, and useful. --- There's too much clothes and too much food, and too much window shopping design-fashion shops, where one model looks exactly like the other. I'm glad that Dame Helen Mirren has turned naturist, but that she can do in the South of France, where she lives, hardly in Hampstead, where she otherwise resides. But when one thinks of the Greeks, I think this mania for overfeeding and overdressing became fashionable with Marie Antoinette. ---- The environ I respect, but then I'm a birder. I love to watch birds and classify them, etc. And study migration patterns. I feel it would be a drawback if all we are left are the _birds_ but not the beatiful drawings of the birds made by some many birders -- starting perhaps with Audubon. I don't think people who are into wildlife are necessarily being a menace to the environ. Indeed, migration control and protection of breeding habitats is a good 'anti-humanistic' thing. I recall that when the breeding ground of the plover was found to be exactly the place where Argentines use (on the beach) to celebrate the New Year with fireworks, the resolution was, "no fireworks", which I thought was excellent, but then you _can_ call me anti-humanist (with a human face, ha ha). We should start by giving proper burial to the many white dead men -- some are still living, but they call themselves 'dead', so what the heck. Cheers, JL Speranza Author of "How to Eliminate Man but not to Get Eliminated in the Proceedings. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com