[lit-ideas] Re: What's THIS ?!?
- From: "Adriano Palma" <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:40:36 +0200
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boldrin & levin have a nice theory of it
>>> Thomas Hart <tehart@xxxxxxx> 12/04/2012 03:24 AM >>>
My understanding was that this was about files, not physically loaning your
Kindle to someone else. I don't recall any disclaimers on any of my Kindle
books about lending, or reading aloud anyhow. It may be on the EULA for the
device, but who reads those anyhow?
People may steal at self check outs because they give up in disgust trying to
use the damn things. I prefer to use the regular check outs with a human.
Everyone may not be a thief, which is legally doubtful given the complexity of
the tax code, but I don't know anyone who is 100% law abiding.
Now that I think about it, since taxation is thievery, and we all consent to
take money from the other fellow to spend not as the poor sap thinks fit, but
as some bozo who swills at the Hawk and Dove sees fit, we are all thieves.
The point about music was to distinguish between what is PD and what is not
with regards to performance.
Why would you pay for scores for Bach when much of that is available online?
"All women are created equal.
Then some become Marines"
Katy Perry video for "Part of me"
Thomas Hart
tehart@xxxxxxx
On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Veronica Caley wrote:
I was not thinking about piracy. I was thinking of someone lending their
Kindle or such to a relative. Not copying, which is theft. Re reading aloud,
I was not thinking of "performing." My husband and I sometimes will read a
paragraph to each other. Everyone is not a thief.
I lately heard that people steal like crazy at self check outs. This never
occurred to me and I wouldn't do it. But I have no sympathy for stores which
Aare trying to automate everyone out of a job.
Re music,, I play the piano and pay for the music books I use. Even for Bach.
Veronica Caley
Milford,, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Thomas Hart ( mailto:tehart@xxxxxxx )
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:04 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: What's THIS ?!?
Actually, it's not silly.
An electronic file can be reproduced endlessly with the click of a button. If
you can obtain a work for little or no cost, you're not going to buy it. That's
why there are so many illegal copies of overpriced programs like Autocad in
engineering offices. They buy one copy at $4,000, and then it's passed around
throughout the organization. Autodesk, the manufacturer of Autocad may well
jack the price up to compensate for the pirated copies.
Once the file is lent, it can be copied and archived. You can go to a library,
check out a CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray, and then copy it to your computer. The library
effectively becomes an accomplice in piracy. The same goes for books. BODT
(Books On Dead Trees) can be scanned, turned into PDF files, or text files, and
then passed around endlessly. There are sites where you can download dozens of
books that are not in the public domain, not released for free distribution.
The available titles range from John Grisham and Tom Clancy novels to titles
from O'Reilly, Cambridge University Press, and Oxford University press, and
these are all available illegally and free.
Now I personally think that the copyright law needs revision so that works from
the 1930s, 1940s, and maybe even the 1960s and 1970s are freely available, but
the law as it stands says that many works that you can find freely available on
the net are there illegally.
As to the reading aloud, that probably comes under the category of performance.
All of Bach is in the public domain, but when you perform and record an
harpsichord concerto, that performance is copyrightable, and cannot be used in
a public forum without paying a fee. So you can read sonnets to your sweetie in
private, but don't do it at your local tavern. It may also mean that you can't
use any text to speech functions.
"All women are created equal.
Then some become Marines"
Katy Perry video for "Part of me"
Thomas Hart
tehart@xxxxxxx
On Apr 11, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Veronica Caley wrote:
Lending not allowed
Reading aloud not allowed
Shows the silliness of too many rules, laws, regulations that are inherently
unenforceable..
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message ----- From: <cblists@xxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] What's THIS ?!?
I don't have, but - until I read the following - had been considering
purchasing, an electronic book 'reader'.
In searching the Internet for William Gaddis' AGAPE, AGAPE, I noticed the
following 'additional details' appended to the listing for the Adobe eBooks
edition:
Adobe PDF eBook Rights
Copying not allowed
Printing not allowed
Lending not allowed
Reading aloud not allowed
The first two or three seem straightforward enough (the lending restriction
seems a bit severe; it's hard to imagine not lending out a book).
BUT can it possibly be true that, should I purchase an eBook copy of this (or
any other book with similar 'rights' attached), I would be agreeing (in a
legally binding way) that I would not read the book aloud to a friend / loved
one / family member?
Do people actually, by buying such eBooks, agree to such a restriction in
(what to me is an essential component in) the life of a piece of literature?
Chris Bruce,
more thankful than ever for his
'outsider borrowing privileges'
at the local university library, in
Kiel, Germany
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