Brian (in response to my "Nice try, Brian, but no cigar"): >What's that supposed to mean? Close, but no cigar Meaning: Fall just short of a successful outcome and get nothing for your efforts. Origin: The phrase, and its variant 'nice try, but no cigar', are of US origin and date from the mid-20th century. Fairground stalls gave out cigars as prizes, and this is the most likely source, although there's no definitive evidence to prove that. It is first recorded in print in Sayre and Twist's publishing of the script of the 1935 film version of Annie Oakley: "Close, Colonel, but no cigar!" http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/close-but-no-cigar.html Or were you asking why I would use that expression? Just trying to take the sting out of rejection. Mike Geary