Eric Yost wrote: "Then there's the question of how far one would go to prevent ..." Which segues nicely into the argument in the following: http://shadow.foreignpolicy.com/category/one_time_tags/the_zelikow_memo To summarize, if torture of terrorists is legally justifiable under compelling national security concerns, then so also is the torture of U.S. citizens in the U.S. for similar compelling concerns. That is, U.S. citizens could legally be grabbed off the street and waterboarded over 80 times in order to determine whether they knew anything about terrorist groups. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html