> Western Europe has made the transition from anti-war, anti-Bush, to pro-war >against >Libya much as Obama has, this is not quite accurate. The French Government led on this -- and French pilots bravely led the attack before anti-aircraft guns were put out of action by US/UK Cruise missiles -- but the French and British governments don't speak for all Europe, or even, all their own people. you quote Hanson >>>>>>>> But now the wily Obama has out-waited even the French. He has managed to shame them into acting, <<<<<<<<< disgraceful. I agree the US got the Security Council Resolution it wanted. It could pose as simply obeying a UN Resolution, and shows every sign of copping out -- early. It can try to evade Arab hostility by whining "the French did it". Hanson, again >>>>> •War-mongering liberals. Liberals are now chest-thumping about military "progress" in Libya >>>>>> some, yes. Some, not. > to pro-war against Libya and perhaps we should see it that way --- On Fri, 1/4/11, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] War, then and now: Libya To: "Lit-Ideas " <Lit-Ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Friday, 1 April, 2011, 18:06 I was typing up old poems and putting them in a folder when I came to “Horace and the Preparation for war.” http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2010/08/horace-and-preparation-for-war.html Lefty, aka Billy Blogblather, didn’t object to that representation of his ideas, if I recall correctly; so I can’t help but wonder what he thinks of Obama’s bombing of Libya. Lefty, as was the case with most of Western Europe, heralded Obama as the inaugurator of world peace and Welfare-Stateism. Western Europe has made the transition from anti-war, anti-Bush, to pro-war against Libya much as Obama has, but I wonder about Lefty. Did he make the transition as well? See blog note, http://www.lawrencehelm.com/2011/04/war-then-and-now-libya.html Lawrence