[lit-ideas] Re: War, no sort of about it

From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:04:42 -0400
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In a message dated 8/14/2005 10:04:18 AM Central Standard Time, 
aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Likewise Marlena's confirmation that people are a bunch of zombies who need
G-d to help them get through a day. 
Dear Andy,
HEY!  I don't think people are a bunch of zombies--you're the one who thinks 
they are inherently evil!  NOT me!  

I was just trying to affirm that your viewpoint is a particular one which is 
shared by many of those who do need G-d's nature to live internally within them 
so that their nature will be changed into a nature which is one that you (or 
anyone) would say is 'okay'.  Coming from the point of view of man having an 
evil nature but needing/finding a solution to have that changed so that they 
can work through those pieces and become a People who 'do good'--well, the only 
thing I will say is that it is a whole lot more positive than some points of 
view. as they are at least working towards personal growth and development of 
some sort--albeit through a rationalization.  That's better than just jumping 
off a cliff because one could not figure out any way to change oneself to stop 
doing the evil which was reeking out and hurting others!  I will grant that 
point of view that much!



A.A. I admit that god's nature living internally with people is less 
destructive than drugs.  Unfortunately it works the same way as drugs.  It's 
palliative medicine at best.  It changes nothing.  Sometimes it's downright 
destructive.



Though I don't agree with that point of view, I do not think of them as a bunch 
of zombies -- or are you saying they are that way because they have an evil 
nature?  


A.A. They're zombies because they're drugged out on religion or some other 
substance or activity.



What does puzzle me with your point of view is that if people are inherently 
evil (as I hear you saying), how do you think they can possibly change to live 
up to the standards that you think they ought to be living?  Why do you 
continue to hold People to a standard that you claim they could not ever even 
come close to meeting?



A.A. People are inherently evil but they are also capable of abstract thought.  
I think a lot of what passes for evil is just people bellowing out in pain, 
lashing out, clutching at straws.  Nowadays, Marlena, we have psychologists who 
can help people find better ways of dealing with their, for lack of a better 
word, issues, than beating somebody else up.  Deaf children can't verbalize 
"I'm angry at you" so they take a chair and throw it.  That's humanity in a 
nutshell.  People can't verbalize what's bothering them so they lash out.  They 
turn to religion to get the soothing they never got from earthly idiots called 
mothers and fathers.  As long as they keep doing that, nothing will change.  
Religion is not only an impediment to progress, it's a source of sibling 
rivalry writ large, as each group proves that daddy loves them best.  What we 
do in families we do in the world.  That can be changed, but only if humans 
change it.  Marlena, what would it take to convince you that g
 od just doesn't give a hoot?  Probably nothing would convince you.  Crabs in a 
bucket fear change above all things.  And please don't take it personally.  
Crabs in a bucket are at least 54% of the population of the U.S. 


Andy Amago




Just curious,
Marlena in Missouri
[lit-ideas] Re: War, no sort of about it

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