<...the more astute (but ultimately thick) people, hit on the notion of re-mortaging on a regular basis at levels exceeding the current price of the property. > People were encouraged to do this or take out home equity loans to purchase other items than their homes. This was advised by financial advisors because the interest on these loans was deductible. I don't know which administration did away with making interest on credit cards deductible, but if memory serves me here, these two events happened more or less together. Veronica ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Ward To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:18 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Wall Street and Capitalism Mr Gleason (we haven't been introduced): " ... one would have thought that Lit-Ideas would offer explanations involving more erudition than finger pointing." Indeed, it's a wonder Lawrence didn't pick it up, he's always one for spreading the blame. If you want to point a finger, make sure it's a large one and is quite blunt. A giant's thumb might be good, and it should be pointed at the free market dogma that stipulates that markets are an efficient and, for the most part, self governing solution to the problem of appying productive assets to a demand and supply problem. But without sufficient regulation (because the markets are efficient and self-governing) people moving the assets around got a bit clever and invented products which were not actually real and had no use-value except the creation of profit. These products (CDS to take an example), were used to pass on the risk associated with marginal mortgage agreements in such a form that the risk was soon rated in much better terms than the marginal mortgage agreements warranted. In a few years an upside down pyramid was created that pivoted on the notion that property prices would keep on rising, buoyed along by an articifically low interest rate. This is called a bubble. Out of the sub-prime sector (because the marginal people just wanted to buy their own house), the more astute (but ultimately thick) people, hit on the notion of re-mortaging on a regular basis at levels exceeding the current price of the property. As the property price rose, the mortage would be secured until the time came to re-mortagage again. But when property prices fell ... And all this was deemed acceptable because the market is self-regulating and also because it became a central part of the conservative mythology following 9/11. True, it was part of that mythology accepted by both sides of the political divide (because those on the left too saw need to make an appeal to business), but in all respects, it was a central pillar of the conservative agenda. You want proportioned blame? Find out who advocated market de-regulation (and stuck by it until only a few weeks ago), who promoted consumption over investment, who relied on the rich to feed the poor and who thought that national interest trumped global economic and environmental security. Or you could blame the leftists who didn't advocate any of it. Not a jot. Simon