As some of us prepare for the HD Met live broadcast of "PARSIFAL", it may do to review some of the arguments of one of the list's favourite philosophers (as it were): B. Magee, in his interesting publications on this (and that). I add Grice for good measure. Oddly, in the memoir on Grice by G. Richardson, for "St. John's College" Records, one reads, "Grice thought Die Meistersinger was for children" -- and, hey, Magee may agree! Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html