[lit-ideas] Re: Victor Hanson in Iraq

  • From: joerg benesch <jgruel@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:01:05 +0100

So the Nazi war originated from despair and other irrationalisms, whereas the bushido wars were the result of that insanely absurd incompetence so widely admitted now even by dubyas fellow morons. Ach Eric, when you compare such blurred out-of-the-sleeve interpretations to each other, it's likely that you won't find them match. Rather, let's consider what really happened:


While the resentment about the lost war may have played a role, or came in handy, for the German neocons when they installed the Nazis to power in 1933, their main motivation was to surpress any political opposition (them "Leftists", as you would call them) and to remilitarize the country, which, among other benefits, would yield them extra large profits. When the Nazis launched their war, they were not driven by resentment (not to speak of "despair"), but planned to gain "Lebensraum" on a large scale: whole countries were to be conquered, dominated and exploited, their population being reduced to mere collateral subhuman trash. As you said when confronted with the death of about half a million of these Untermenschen in Mesopotamia, "Why not make them millions?".

As for your homegrown Little Caesar, I certainly do not doubt his incompetence - which made him spoil a plan pretty much like the above. It's like Hitler, er hat's vermasselt, but that's not the point. The tertium comparationis remains, rapacious warfare justified by discriminating the victims. As old as history. Kill'em and piss on their graves.

Is it defaitism or masochism when we try to come to terms with the desastrous heritage of those criminal idiots? When, at the time of the first Gulf war, a British paper asked "Where is Rommel, now that he's needed?" you might hear "Rommel? the major of Stuttgart? - Oh, I see, his father was that Fuehrer's Liebling Nazi general. Poor lad, what a childhood... And these overpale Brits are always a tad too outlandish, because, what the heck do they need a Nazi general for?"

"Ach bitter bereut, wer des Weisen Rat scheut."
joerg,
from Suebia

Eric Yost schrieb:
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Consider the origin of Nazism in the defeat of Germany in WW1. That defeat in WW1 led to the terrible policies of the Nazis, who were hearkening back to an Aryan master race myth to assuage the despair brought about by that defeat. Scapegoating Jews, gays, gypsies, communists for the humiliation of that defeat decades after the fact.

Sure, victory in some insane fascist cause is not good, but that's not what we have in the present case. We have a post-9/11 war started on faulty intelligence and false bravado, which was then grossly mishandled, creating humanitarian disaster, and encouraging al-Qaeda and other forces to make that disaster worse, such as when they murdered the UN envoy in Baghdad and drove the UN forces from the country.

Yet to argue as Mike does that defeat is really a victory ... is bull. Defeat is defeat; there is nothing standing outside a culture, no Olympus from where we can claim defeat is really a victory. Our defeat is our defeat. To claim we are worse than the enemy is simply bad judgment grown from a lifetime of alienation.

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