In a message dated 4/26/2004 5:29:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx writes: *Why is the important thing that no *new* countries obtain nukes, instead that there be less nukes ? Six apes with hammers in a room full of harpsichords have less possibility of causing damage than sixty apes with hammers. Fewer apes with hammers is always a better thing in and of itself. This obviously mixes political objectives with your stated concerns of non-proliferation. It's a Prisoner's Dilemma for Apes with Hammers. Apes without Hammers have to find other ways to express national pride, power, and accomplishment; otherwise, it'll be Apes with Hammers for all, and exeunt omnia sooner or later. As far as I can see, non-proliferation is itself not a particularly important goal except insofar as it reduces the danger that nuclear weapons get used. Like ... duh. If you regard that as "not particularly important," it's hard to answer your objection here, for you evidently think the use of nuclear weapons is fine as long as some of the Apes with Hammers are wearing your team colors. Go team, go! ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html