On my understanding the Dutch are more than a little phlegmish so that they are closer to that branch of Belgian, so close they may not really be different languages. Yet even you say > witte schwanne, > swartze swanne > will u toe > Englaland varen > > white swan, black swan, > will you to England take me? > > --- It _is_ very close -- and the languages _are_ cognate > (more so in > Friesland, where I've also been -- and am a member of the > Leeuwaarden Friske > Akademie. -- Leywvert in the vernacular. That is, you concede that, while cognate, they are different languages. That means, they speak two languages if they speak Dutch and English. D ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html