In a message dated 5/14/2013 7:03:13 A.M. UTC-02, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: So (1) we should not talk of "experience" here without being clear what level of experience we are talking about; ... (As usual, he [Popper] may be on to something. I will re-read the close arguments. Meanwhile, it may do to add to the bargain a special Wundt favourite. "Language and Thought". Grice fought with this. If we say, "My Eskimo friend, Marjorie, saw that snow was white." My Eskimo friend thinks, like we do, that snow is white." The whole point: to distinguish between the sentence (in Phatic's parlance): "The snow is white" and the THOUGHT (or content of the thought -- or experience): "THE SNOW IS WHITE". And to play with different options of approaching THOUGHT _other_ than via lingo. My source here is C. A. B. Peacocke, professor of content and metaphysical philosophy at Oxford -- the Waynflete chair. He argues that content is intrinsically perceptual, not linguistic. But most philosophers are never so careful. Peacocke IS, because, as a Griceian (who defines lingo and meaning in term of thought) cannot then go the 'loopy circular' way and define thought in terms of language. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html