LH>Europeans can't bring themselves to accept the immigrants as being LH>Europeans. It doesn't matter how long you've lived in Europe, you'll still LH>be a European Jew, never a Jewish European. Consider how strange LH>it would be to say things like that in America: American Mexican, for example. 1. (As I said some while ago) the French system is like that (like you say the US is). 2. Actually, Lawrence, the term is Mexican-American (aka Chicano) 3. The real "success" of the US system is probably its cherry-picking immigrants by points-scoring. We are moving to such a system (Blair strikes again) causing people to wonder who, now, will do the dirty and poorly paid jobs British cirizens won't do. Not that I think immigrants should have to do them.