[lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 12:54:38 -0700
What quote of mine do you have in mind when you say "Lawrence thinks
removing Saddam hurt Iran," Irene? For the life of me I can't recall saying
that. Help me out here.
Lawrence
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> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 7/29/2006 12:37:34 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: U.N. Special Committee on Palestine
>
> Omar says:
> >What should be seen as 'Israel', the IDF or the government,
> >is a difficult question.
>
> Omar writes
> >"If you mean Hizbollah, I don't consider it a terrorist organization."
>
> Omar seems to be going unchallenged lately. The long well-documented
> responses that Lawrence has been writing are not very effective with Omar
> because, like Irene, he doesn't read more than the first paragraph.
>
Lawrence thinks removing Saddam hurt Iran. That's 180 degrees opposite of
reality. Removing Saddam was a gift to Iran. They tried for 8 years to do
it and failed. We did it three weeks and of course we'll pay for decades
to come for our success. Iran is delighted and Lawrence thinks they're
hurt by it. And you want me to read Lawrence's stuff? Stan, is there a
reason you need to use personal attacks so much? Anti-semitic, troll, now
doesn't read. I don't use personal attacks, and you use them all the time.
Can it be that maybe you don't know anything, so perforce you need to
resort to personal attacks because you live in a factual vacuum? Reading
other than what Lawrence posts is an antidote to having to use personal
attacks. You might want to consider it.
> Letting him say such questionable things without challenging him makes
him
> think we agree with him. Imagine saying Hezbollah's not a terorist
> organization? Imagine saying it's difficult to say who represents Israel
--
> the military or the government? Israel, like the USA, is a democratic
state.
> The military doesn't represent Israel any more than it does America. But
> saying that -- unchallenged -- makes the more naive among us think Israel
is
> just a banana republic. It isn't.
>
> And everything Omar says -- since he's clearly identified himself as
> anti-Israel and anti-semitic -- needs to be scrutinized. He's very
> intelligent -- and writes intelligently. And that makes what he says seem
so
> reasonable. But, after all, it's only reasonable if you only pay
attention
> to the tone of voice, not the substance.
>
And everything Stan says, who is clearly pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian,
needs to be accepted as Gospel.
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