I heard an interview recently which corroborated what I had read quite some time ago about the concept of 'honor'. 'Honor' is an outgrowth of a Romantic notion derived primarily from Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe fiction that Southern white slave holders, particularly in South Carolina, used as a basis for retaliating perceived slights from each other. There is a theory that slaves, again particularly in South Carolina, watched and absorbed their white owners' challenges to duel each other over 'disrespect'. Post Civil War this ethic followed the former slaves and became institutionalized in the inner cities as 'dissing', or showing disrespect, which disrespect became resolved in gun battles, i.e., a reincarnation of the duels of Southern gentlemen. Years ago when I first came across this idea I wondered why inner city black children aren't taught that their tough guy ethic of killing each other over disrespect (otherwise known as honor) is a way of keeping them tied to slav ery. Honor, like chivalry, is life imitating art with disastrous consequences. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Helm To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 5/12/2006 1:59:33 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Two poems, two approaches, for Friday SPEAKING TO THE MATERIAL MANAGER If you will not accept such mild rebuke Then what would you do? Will you want to duel: Revolvers at twenty feet? Be advised I shoot Quite well, and you present, shall we say A rather large target, which in a way Is how this all began: On that day You stood for all to hear what you let fall.