[lit-ideas] Re: Tune in and turn off

  • From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 03:24:42 EDT

I feel your pain.
I suggest massive does of 5-HTP -- it's available over the  counter.  It is 
the body's natural precursor to seratonin.  
Seratonin helps regulate sleep, sex drives, appetite, energy levels,  etc.
Julie Krueger

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It doesn't mean much.  People don't even know  they're hungry or sleepy half
the time, and those are discrete bodily  sensations.  We've had multiple
discussions on phil lit and here that  people âact outâ their emotions
because they can't put words to them and deal  with them rationally or at
least less destructively.  Letâs take the  case of the neighbor that Paul
Stone wrote about, who parks his car in front  of Paulâs house.  The
neighbor has to know that it annoys Paul, but he  does it anyway.  Why?  Why
did Clinton have the affair with  Monica?  Why did Monica have the affair
with Clinton?  Did she have  a clue?  Does anyone who has an affair have a
clue other than  lust?  Do you think the people who are clamoring for war
would clamor so  loud if they had another way to express their anger?  Itâs
the whole  basis of psychohistory, the reenacting of childhood needs and
patterns  through war and conflict.  Psychohistory is large scale behavior;
Bill  and Monica is the same idea on an individual level.  (I like  Bill

Ultimately, there are four basic ways men in  particular are allowed to
express their emotions in our society:   violence, money, sex, and when all
else fails or is unavailable,  depression.  The operative words here are
express their emotions.   If they are not expressing their emotions, what
are they doing?  Deaf  children who are not taught language are in this
situation but in a far  worse, far more intense way.  They get, say, angry,
can't express it  because they don't have the words to say, I hate you
Johnny, so they throw a  chair.  Unfortunately, ânormalâ people with normal
hearing and speaking  skills do the same thing.  They get angry, they hit
their kids, start a  war.  Best case scenario, they act passive aggressively
in one form or  another.  Parents are among the worst offenders: kid says, I
hate  grandma.  Mom says, you don't hate grandma.  Kid thinks, gee, it  sure
feels like I hate grandma but maybe I don't hate grandma.  Or the  famous
I'll give you something to cry about, meaning, I'm feeling something  but
itâs a lot safer not to, so I'll go and smash a window or fail  arithmetic
to get back at dad.  Eventually that response to shut down  the feeling
becomes automatic.  But feelings won't be shut down, they  only go

So, basically, in response to your question, yes,  the word feeling doesn't
mean much.  

> [Original  Message]
> From: Robert Paul <robert.paul@xxxxxxxx>
> To:  <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 4/23/2006 4:33:31 PM
>  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Tune in and turn off
> > It's a  cognitive disorder nobody has.  If people had a clue what  they
> > feeling, why would they promote death and destruction  and pay good money
> > for it?  They go to war to scratch an itch  that's making them crazy but
> > that they can't get to, i.e.,  bothersome feelings they can't reach.  If
> > people knew what  they were feeling, they would stand a chance of ridding
> Are you  saying that people never know what they're 'feeling'? If your 
>  hypothesis is that people are (always?) mistaken about what they're 
>  feeling (they think they're feeling lust but they're really feeling 
>  compassion) what's the criterion for saying they're really feeling 
>  compassion, not lust? Who determines that? If you're saying that nobody 
>  ever knows what he or she is feeling, what does the word 'feeling'  mean?
> Robert Paul
> Feeling groovy (or maybe  angstâ)
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