mundane: mid-15c., "of this world," from Old French mondain "of this world, worldly, earthly, secular;" also "pure, clean; noble, generous" (12c.), from Late Latin mundanus "belonging to the world" (as distinct from the Church), in classical Latin "a citizen of the world, cosmopolite," from mundus "universe, world," literally "clean, elegant"; used as a translation of Greek khosmos (see cosmos) in its Pythagorean sense of "the physical universe" (the original sense of the Greek word was "orderly arrangement"). Latin mundus also was used of a woman's "ornaments, dress," and is related to the adjective mundus "clean, elegant" (used of women's dress, etc.). Related: Mundanely. ---- This should be my last post today! Thanks to R. Paul for his commentary. I think the whole thing started recently enough. First, about subject line. "Trimundane" I found twoo Google hits: (a) Nimrod: A Discourse on Certain Passages of History and Fable - Volume 1 - Pagina 323 - Risultati da Google Libri Algernon Herbert - 1828 - History, Ancient "But it appears to me that they were initiated in the trimundane mysteries. The ascetic life of Simeon I. or Simeon in the Mandra, was threefold ; he / first retired into..." (b) Full text of "Britannia after the Romans : being an attempt to illustrate ... _www.archive.org/stream/.../britanniaafterro00herbuoft_djvu.txt_ (http://www.archive.org/stream/.../britanniaafterro00herbuoft_djvu.txt) "But the story is not ill-suited to the trimundane character of Apollo Belenus and bears some analogy to the tria virginis ora Dianae. It would be strange if a king ..." and I think the term may apply to Popperianism. The post that originated the recent discussion seems to be one by McEvoy. He notes that he is willing to discuss Phatic's view (agreeing with Fellini) that 'a diverse language' can be "a pain in the neck" (not McEvoy's words). McEvoy introduces talk of 'experience' and notably, 'world 3' as per his dictum: "This 'other level of experience' is experience mediated by World 3 content - in the example of the Eskimos, World 3 content as to different types of snow that is expressed via language." ----- The Wikipedia essay on Popper's three worlds is admirably brief. It reads: "Popper's world 3 contains the products of thought. This includes abstract objects such as scientific theories, stories, myths, tools, social institutions, and works of art." And then there are two sections. One on: The interaction of World 2 and World 3: "The interaction of World 2 and World 3 is based on the theory that World 3 is partially autonomous. For example, the development of scientific theories in World 3 leads to unintended consequences, in that problems and contradictions are discovered by World 2. Another example is that the process of learning causes World 3 to change World 2." The second on The interaction of World 1 and World 3 "Contained in World 3 are also things as feats of engineering and art. The World 3 objects, although extant in World 1, are embodied and given extra meaning by World 3. For example, the intrinsic value of Hamlet as a World 3 object has many embodiments in World 1, the physical world. This idea would be something along the lines of a meta-object, or a form of a being." I have expressed already my scepticism about breaches to "Do not multply worlds beyond necessity." Then there's the problem of OVERPOPULATING. As per abstract below. But in terms of the current discussion, I was pointing to the fact that, to say the least, the story of the causal efficency or agentivity of allegedly 'world-3 items' in realms other than itself seem more complicated than the Wiki entry allows for. Or not. (And that perhaps McEvoy may help clarify). Cheers, Speranza --- From an online essay (by an author) on overpopulation: "The first part of this paper is an attempt to offer an overview of Popper's World 3 in the light of philospher Rick Roderick's concerns about the growing excess of information in our times (be they modern or post-modern). The first part of the paper tries to place Roderick's important words of caution from "The Self under Siege" into the Popperian cosmology and to investigate the ways in which these views can be seen as fitting in Popper's World 3 framework. The second part of the paper is the extension of one of the most famous World 3 thought experiments. This extension allows us to test some effects of the bearing on the human species as well as to explore the kind of fear that it causes." ---- ONLINE REFERENCES provided by this online source: 1. Beller, S. (2006), "Information Overload and Health Decision-Making Part 1", Saturday September 11, 2006: http://curinghealthcare.blogspot.com (accessed on 14/02/2009). 2. Franck, G. (1999), "The Economy of Attention", At: Telepolis: http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/5/5567/1.html (accessed on 14/02/2009). 3. Champion, R. (2009), "Popper's Theory of Objective Knowledge", At: The Rathouse: The Philosophy Site: http://www.the-rathouse.com/popobjectknow.html (accessed on 06/02/2009). 4. Netcraft. (2009), January 2009 Web Server Survey, Bath: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html (accessed on 14/02/2009). 5. Popper, K. R. (1978), "Three Worlds by Karl Popper", In: The Tanner Lecture on Human Values. (Delivered at The University of Michigan on April 7, 1978): pp. 143-167.: http://www.tannerlectures.utah.edu/lectures/documents/popper80.pdf (accessed on 05/02/2009). 6. Udell, J. (2005), "Attention economics" (October 19, 2005): http://weblog.infoworld.com/udell/2005/10/19.html (accessed on 14/02/2009). ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html