I read this piece twice now, at first reading I was mildy annoyed and after second reading I am starting to get upset. Because it looks like something reasonable and balanced written with best of intentions, while is at best vague and at worst dangerous nonsense. What she is saying is that if we would see pornography for what it is (torture) we would be as outraged as we are at the soldiers in Abu Ghraib. We would not "tolerate it." Perhaps it is just because I come from a Lutherian culture that I somehow consider moral outrage non-collective. But I just can't figure out what would actually change if most of us recognized pornography as at least morally dubious if not outright wrong. Because we do already! It's not like Buttman IV is something you would make smalltalk off. Those who consume pornography go to great lenghts to keep it secret. And so on. So maybe she is just confused. But then again there is a chance that where she is really heading is that we should treat producers of pornography the same way we treat the torturers. She doesn't say that out loud, the closest she comes is this: "However, regardless of our lack of agreement about the causal claims [between pornography and violence] -- and about the political desirability and the constitutional permissibility of restricting pornography -- the Abu Ghraib scandal should enable all of us to see the moral dubiousness of an industry..." "Consitutional permissibility" is a colossal understatement, considering that every previous effort to illegalize pornography has basicly ended with something akin to Nabokoff, Heffner, Salinger and the guy who directed Buttman IV at the same degenerate filth bracket. Treating the impossibility of providing a legally unambigous definition of pornography as a mere technical problem is dangerous nonsense. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html