Well then we'd all better get busy eating that meat. Music to McDonald's and Conagra's ears, given that those people live on some planet other than earth. Coal is not the answer. If nothing else, Richard Heinberg is making a case that we're at or near peak coal. Actually, we're at or near Peak Everything, the name of his book. In the meantime, China is putting up a coal plant a week and not using clean technology either, something that we can help them with and we're not. They're desperate right now to get their people out of poverty. That's pushing climate change along, the climate change that we started and denied was happening. Some are still denying it, like Senator Inhoff. If coal powered everything, or even a lot more things, we'd be dropping like flies from coal inspired diseases. Plus mining coal takes water and oil, unless you know another way to power up that Caterpillar. --- On Fri, 5/30/08, David Wright <wright@xxxxxxxx> wrote: From: David Wright <wright@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Today's situation with food To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 3:40 AM Well said. That is the problem, in a nutshell, that the majority will not exercise limited use. I suspect that even coal would suffice if only... That is, fundamentally, my argument against religious veggiedom. That is to say, that abstention from the consumption of meat is not enough, it is merely a star(t) on the horizon... egregiously yours, d.