[lit-ideas] Re: TlP
- From: Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 12:24:28 +0000
dear Robert, there are no "objects" under the species of eternity, and that is
why (LW and TlP both) start with the claim that the world is a totality of
facts, not of the 'things" composing facts
regards
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Adriano Palma wrote
> herr wittgenstein discovered truth-tables, they determine the "case",
> hence there are no objects-
Well, in the Tractatus there must be objects. They are the substance of the
world. If the world had no substance,
I'm puzzled by this.
> He felt forced to start a quixotic quest for "showing" that German can
> be reproduced (albeit in "logial form") by SC (where sc= sententail
> calculus, what is taught in 1st year philosophy classes, but
> Wittgenstein's times it was novel notion) see e.g.
> 4.442
> Es ist z. B.:
> p q
> W W W
> » F W W «
> W F
> F F W
>
> ein Satzzeichen.
> (Freges »Urteilstrich« »« ist logisch ganz bedeutungslos; er zeigt
> bei Frege (und Russell) nur an, dass diese Autoren die so
> bezeichneten Sätze für wahr halten. »« gehört daher ebensowenig zum
> Satzgefüge, wie etwa die Nummer des Satzes. Ein Satz kann unmöglich
> von sich selbst aussagen, dass er wahr ist.)
> Ist die Reihenfolge der Wahrheitsmöglichkeiten im Schema durch eine
> Kombinationsregel ein für allemal festgesetzt, dann ist die letzte
> Kolonne allein schon ein Ausdruck der Wahrheitsbedingungen.
> Schreiben wir diese Kolonne als Reihe hin, so wird das Satzzeichen zu
> »(WW-W)(p,q)«
>
> oder deutlicher
> »(WWFW)(p,q)«
>
> (Die Anzahl der Stellen in der linken Klammer ist durch die Anzahl
> der Glieder in der rechten bestimmt.)
> 4.45
> Für n Elementarsätze gibt es L_n mögliche Gruppen von
> Wahrheitsbedingungen.
>
>
> >>> Thomas Hart <tehart@xxxxxxx> 25/04/2012 02:27 AM >>> Actually I'm
> holding out for someone to explain the first chapter of the
> /Tractatus./ The first sentence seems clear enough. Possibly even the
> second. But I'm lost by the time I reach the end of the chapter. What
> on earth does this all mean:
>
> 1 The world is all that is the case.
> 1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things.
> 1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.
> 1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also
> whatever is not the case.
> 1.13 The facts in logical space are the world.
> 1.2 The world divides into facts.
> 1.21 Each item can be the case or not the case while everything else
> remains the same.
>
> To start off, WTH is /the case?/ Is he talking beer, whiskey or rye
> (drunk by good ol' boys at the levee), absinthe, or what?
>
> "All women are created equal.
> Then some become Marines"
>
> Katy Perry video for "Part of me"
>
> Thomas Hart
> tehart@xxxxxxx <mailto:tehart@xxxxxxx>
>
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Lawrence Helm wrote:
>
>> Omar,
>> No, no. I’m much mellower now that I’m spending so much time
>> photographing dogs & mountains & such. Besides, I don’t want to chase
>> off Tom Hart who can no longer abide political arguments.
>> Lawrence, the sound of one hand laughing
>> *From:*lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of*Omar Kusturica
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:06 AM *To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:*[lit-ideas] Re: [The New
>> Islamists Lawrence has managed to surprise me, I was expecting a
>> lengthy reply with references to the all-too-familiar list of
>> right-wing authors.
>> O.K.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --- *From:*Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>> *To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:11 PM *Subject:*[lit-ideas] Re: [The
>> New Islamists If you should go to [Middle-Eastern city of your
>> choice] Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.
>> If you’re going to [Middle Eastern city] You’re gonna meet some
>> gentle people there.
>> For those who come to [Middle-Eastern city] Summertime will be a
>> love-in there In the streets of [Middle-Eastern city] Gentle people
>> with flowers in their hair All across the nation such a strange
>> vibration People in motion There's a whole generation with a new
>> explanation People in motion people in motion For those who come to
>> [Middle-Eastern city] Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair If
>> you come to [Middle-Eastern City] Summertime will be a love-in there
>> If you come to [Middle-Eastern city] Summertime will be a love-in
>> there [with thanks to Scott McKenzie] Lawrence *From:*Omar Kusturica
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:07 AM *To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> *Subject:*[lit-ideas]: The New Islamists
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>> <mailto:polidea@xxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:*Monday, April 23, 2012 9:35 PM
>> *Subject:*The New Islamists
>>
>>
>> The longstanding debate over whether Islam and democracy can coexist
>> has reached a stunning turning point. Since the Arab uprisings began
>> in late 2010, political Islam and democracy have become increasingly
>> interdependent. The debate over whether they are compatible is now
>> virtually obsolete. Neither can now survive without the other.
>>
>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/04/16/the_new_islamists?pa
>> ge=full
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