[lit-ideas] Re: TlP

  • From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:15:08 -0800

Adriano Palma wrote

herr wittgenstein discovered truth-tables, they determine the "case",
hence there are no objects-

Well, in the Tractatus there must be objects. They are the substance of the world. If the world had no substance,

I'm puzzled by this.
He felt forced to start a quixotic quest for "showing" that German can
be reproduced (albeit in "logial form") by SC (where sc= sententail
calculus, what is taught in 1st year philosophy classes, but
Wittgenstein's times it was novel notion)
see e.g.
    Es ist z. B.:
        p       q               
        W       W       W       
    »   F       W       W       «
        W       F               
        F       F       W       

    ein Satzzeichen.
    (Freges »Urteilstrich« »« ist logisch ganz bedeutungslos; er zeigt
    bei Frege (und Russell) nur an, dass diese Autoren die so
    bezeichneten Sätze für wahr halten. »« gehört daher ebensowenig zum
    Satzgefüge, wie etwa die Nummer des Satzes. Ein Satz kann unmöglich
    von sich selbst aussagen, dass er wahr ist.)
    Ist die Reihenfolge der Wahrheitsmöglichkeiten im Schema durch eine
    Kombinationsregel ein für allemal festgesetzt, dann ist die letzte
    Kolonne allein schon ein Ausdruck der Wahrheitsbedingungen.
    Schreiben wir diese Kolonne als Reihe hin, so wird das Satzzeichen zu

    oder deutlicher

    (Die Anzahl der Stellen in der linken Klammer ist durch die Anzahl
    der Glieder in der rechten bestimmt.)
    Für n Elementarsätze gibt es L_n mögliche Gruppen von

 >>> Thomas Hart <tehart@xxxxxxx> 25/04/2012 02:27 AM >>>
Actually I'm holding out for someone to explain the first chapter of the
/Tractatus./ The first sentence seems clear enough. Possibly even the
second. But I'm lost by the time I reach the end of the chapter. What on
earth does this all mean:

1 The world is all that is the case.
1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things.
1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.
1.12 For the totality of facts determines what is the case, and also
whatever is not the case.
1.13 The facts in logical space are the world.
1.2 The world divides into facts.
1.21 Each item can be the case or not the case while everything else
remains the same.

To start off, WTH is /the case?/ Is he talking beer, whiskey or rye
(drunk by good ol' boys at the levee), absinthe, or what?

"All women are created equal.
Then some become Marines"

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Thomas Hart
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On Apr 24, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Lawrence Helm wrote:

No, no. I’m much mellower now that I’m spending so much time
photographing dogs & mountains & such. Besides, I don’t want to chase
off Tom Hart who can no longer abide political arguments.
Lawrence, the sound of one hand laughing
[mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of*Omar Kusturica
*Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:06 AM
*To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[lit-ideas] Re: [The New Islamists
Lawrence has managed to surprise me, I was expecting a lengthy reply
with references to the all-too-familiar list of right-wing authors.
*From:*Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 7:11 PM
*Subject:*[lit-ideas] Re: [The New Islamists
If you should go to [Middle-Eastern city of your choice]
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.
If you’re going to [Middle Eastern city]
You’re gonna meet some gentle people there.
For those who come to [Middle-Eastern city]
Summertime will be a love-in there
In the streets of [Middle-Eastern city]
Gentle people with flowers in their hair
All across the nation such a strange vibration
People in motion
There's a whole generation with a new explanation
People in motion people in motion
For those who come to [Middle-Eastern city]
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you come to [Middle-Eastern City]
Summertime will be a love-in there
If you come to [Middle-Eastern city]
Summertime will be a love-in there
[with thanks to Scott McKenzie]
*From:*Omar Kusturica
*Sent:*Tuesday, April 24, 2012 4:07 AM
*To:*lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:*[lit-ideas]: The New Islamists
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*Sent:*Monday, April 23, 2012 9:35 PM
*Subject:*The New Islamists

The longstanding debate over whether Islam and democracy can coexist has
reached a stunning turning point. Since the Arab uprisings began in late
2010, political Islam and democracy have become increasingly
interdependent. The debate over whether they are compatible is now
virtually obsolete. Neither can now survive without the other.


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