[lit-ideas] Re: Thing In Itself
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- Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:38:04 -0400
In a message dated 9/13/2014 6:23:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in "Re: not even wrong...": "[The] passage
repeatedly confuses noumena like "self", (external) "world" and "God" with our
"ideas" or "products of intellect" pertaining to these noumena: Kant does not
suggest "God" as noumena is the same as our idea of God, and indeed for Kant
it is a fundamental confusion to suggest this. Noumena are the "objects" or
'things in themselves' that lie beyond the world of our phenomenal
experience - they are not merely (or at all) to be confused with any ideas or
"intellectual constructions" or "products of intellect" we might devise that
pertain to these noumena. Among the fundamental questions Kant wants to
address is what we might legitmately claim as knowledge of these noumena given
the limitations of our phenomenal experience - he does not want to collapse
these noumena (e.g. the existence of "God") into a set of mere
"intellectual constructions" or "ideas" or "products of intellect" derived
from
phenomenal experience."
Perhaps we may go further, and with
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philosophy.uchicago.edu/.../Gustafsson-Entangled...
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'thing-in-itself' as a “perverse” and “nonsensical” idea
claim that the 'thing-in-itself' is NONSENSICAL.
I believe that was Ayer's claim in his Gollancz book, and it may have been
the motivation behind Strawson's seminars at Oxford (later turned into a
book), "The bounds of sense", an essay on Kant's philosophy.
Some philosophers, such as H. Paul G., informally, speak of 'material
object', but I would think we should distinguish between 'object' (which
belongs
to epistemology) and 'thing' which belongs to ontology. And of course,
there may be more to 'self', 'God', and 'world' than _matter_ "anyways", to
use the vernacular.
Cheers,
Speranza
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