Saturday, December 4, 2004, 2:04:57 PM, Phil Enns wrote: PE> There will be democracy in Iraq because the Iraqis themselves want it. PE> Why Andreas sees the three competing groups, Shia, Sunni and Kurds as an PE> argument against democracy is beyond me. Because of the problem of (potential) permanent minorities. A piece I posted earlier quoted a suggestion that some Sunnis would not vote, as a boycott or because of intimidation. Here's the beginning of a piece from another paper: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iraq's Shia parties have built a powerful political alliance uniting moderates with extremists and seem likely to dominate next month's general election. The coalition, formed in weeks of private negotiations, will put forward a joint list of candidates. The process has been overseen by Iraq's most revered Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who has designated aides to unite the diverse Shia parties and to vet the many independent candidates standing with them. Although he seeks no political role for himself, the influence of the Iranian-born ayatollah will ensure that the government has a deeply religious character and that Islam is a central tenet of the constitution that must be written next year. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1363218,00.html In a democracy they have the PE> best chance of having the most say. that isn't in fact correct: a dictator needs internal allies, and may find them in (or take them from) a powerful minority grouping. That minority may well then have more say than they would in a majoritarian democracy. As Andreas himself notes, no single PE> group can wield absolute control so the reasonable thing to do is adopt PE> a system where they can have as much control as possible. All the PE> groups recognize this as a democratic system. Each of these groups has PE> pushed for democracy. The problem isn't if there will be a democracy PE> but rather the shape of that democracy. Is it proportional or PE> representational? I take it "representational", here, means "one member per constituency -- and one constituency member, one vote -- elected by a simple majority/plurality"; a version of "representative" as in "representative democracy". Another sense of "representative" is of course allied to "proportional" (in its non-territorial sense" hence "proportional representation" (PR). I assume the Iraq system will be more like the first system in theory -- so there will be no reserved seats for Sunnis, no proportional electoral system that would tend to ensure their (adequate) electoral representation -- but in practice, may be proportional to an extent, if compromise is required. (Stuff on France and Germany deleted) -- Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html