Thanks to Walter for the continuing discussion and for the suggestion that we take the questions about moral judgment one at a time. Walter asserts that: "...moral justification must be applicable to real interactions [though we should] recognize that 'real interactions' bears no epistemic import in the case of moral judgment. That is to say, what people actually do is of no necessary relevance to what they ought to do." I think the second sentence means that actual human behavior does not count as evidence with respect to moral judgments, and I agree with that. The first sentence, though, is a little more problematic. While real interactions do not serve as evidence with respect to moral judgments, the words used in moral judgments certainly refer to real interactions. In that sense, real interactions must have *some* sort of 'epistemic import' here -- i.e. if one did not understand how the words in a moral judgment referred to real interactions one could not be said to understand the judgment, and I take understanding to be the minimum first epistemic step -- you can't really be said to know something if you don't understand it. Walter goes on to say: "...'applicability to real interactions' should not blind us from recognizing that part of the contemporary discipline of ethics is of a transcendental nature concerned with identifying universal and necessary features of moral judgment and the assessment of the objectivity and impartiality of moral deliberation." It may be that a number of people, calling themselves contemporary philosophers concerned with ethics, may think of what they are doing as exploring "universal and necessary features' and assessing 'objectivity and impartiality', but just as actual behavior is not evidence with respect to moral judgments, so the behavior of actual people is not evidence of the intellectual merits of a position. This just by way of blocking the argument that there must be a transcendental and necessary aspect to moral judgments otherwise so many people wouldn't be studying those aspects of moral judgments. I don't think Walter would make such a dubious move, but he seems to be veering perilously close here. Now to the substance: if moral judgments are 'transcendental and necessary' and can be applied to real human interactions, then it would seem to me that either (a) the real human interactions must somehow contain, manifest, participate in or otherwise themselves have some relationship to the transcendental and necessary properties of the judgment which relationship has an important role in making the judgment applicable to the real interactions or (b) the 'transcendental and necessary' aspects of moral judgments are not relevant to their applicability to real interactions. My questions to Walter are: (1) Is there a third alternative I am leaving out of account? (2) If not, then if (a) is correct, can you explain what that relationship is, i.e. explain how it is that real human interactions exhibit the transcendental and necessary properties of the relevant moral judgments? (3) Alternatively, if (b) is correct, then can you give an example to illustrate how a moral judgment can be transcendental and necessary and be applicable to real interactions without the applicability depending on the transcendental and necessary features of the judgment? Finally, Walter also writes: "The concern here is with philosophical truth, not with convincing people that they ought to abide by the results of transcendental inquiry." In general, I am in sympathy with this point. I do, however, want to point out that there is a difference between convincing *others* of something and being convinced *oneself*. It is precisely because I do not find the transcendental inquiries about moral judgments convincing for myself that I think they are misguided. I then work to explain to my own satisfaction why that lack of conviction is warranted and it is the results of those efforts thus far that I am expressing here. Moreover, I believe that to be convinced about those transcendental inquiries simply is to be convinced that one should abide by the results. In other words, while again I agree that the work here is not to be judged by its reception in the court of public opinion, I do think that the point to the discussion is to explore whether one should abide by the results of transcendental inquiry. The challenge, it seems to me, is precisely that we are all, each of us, individual people whose convictions may be swayed, one way or another, by considerations not relevant to the merits of the transcendental inquiry. We are, in a way, most vulnerable to such suasion precisely when considering these things by ourselves, because it is when alone that we are all most vulnerable to the blandishments of our preferred illusions. On the other hand, when we are discussing these in a group we are vulnerable to the sorts of forces that notoriously skew the judgments of the court of public opinion. The point is that while it's appropriate to deny jurisdiction here to the court of public opinion, we should not think that we can thereby avoid some of the pricklier questions about what it means to be persuaded. Regards to one and all, Eric Dean Washington DC