[lit-ideas] Re: The nature of Media Bias

  • From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 22:06:31 -0800

Gosh.  I suppose I do have a problem with using the term "liberal."  I think
of myself as a Liberal from an earlier period, Truman's time.  The modern
who calls himself Liberal seems to me much further to the Left.  I recently
had a debate with some people who called themselves Liberal and yet defended
Chomsky.  The Liberal from an earlier period would never have identified
with Chomsky -- someone who identifies himself as an Anarcho-Syndicalist.


As to who invented the complaint about Media Bias, I recall in the 50s and
60s that the Media seemed to favor the Conservative Position.  The New York
Times in those days, if memory serves me, was biased toward the right.


As to picking out a story as evidence of anything, I don't see what that
would prove.  I have friends and acquaintances on both sides of the
political fence, and they both complain that the Media is biased against
their position.  No referenced Media Outlet is 100% one way or the other so
anyone reading or listening to any of them could find a news story that
countered something they believe.


As to the noted statistics being a "Clever statistical analysis" of ?The
Weekly Standard,? that is rather preposterous.  The Grosclose and Milyo
analysis has been around since September of 2003 and TWS seems to have
discovered it late.  I had never heard of it and thought others might be
interested.  After posting the info from Barros? article I did some web


Here are some sites that refer to Grosclose and Milyo.  None of them show a
connection between them and TWS.  You can tell from the tenor of these sites
that both Grosclose and Milyo specialize in Political matters.  I find it
easy to believe that they were interested in performing the aforementioned
analysis for reasons of their own and not for reasons of TWS.


Note: the person who wrote the article for TWS, Robert Barro, is a Professor
from Harvard who doesn?t work for TWS.  Here is the same author writing a
similar article for Business Week:  HYPERLINK


Here is the entire Gosclose-Milyo analysis as it was published in September



The following is Milyo responding to a criticism of the analysis: HYPERLINK



Here is a Pew Research Center Analysis on the much the same subject:



Here is an NCPA Analysis on the same subject.  HYPERLINK


Lawrence Helm

San Jacinto




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Lawrence suggests that liberals (a term he seems to have difficulty saying

without somehow qualifying it) complain about 'media bias' (against them,



While I'm sure that some liberals do complain that the media fails to cover

stories which would reflect unfavorably on the current Administration, or

them only shallowly, it might be well to remember that the charge of 'media

bias' was not invented by liberals: it has been the constant whine of

conservatives for decades. This suggests to me that a conservative is one

can dish it out but can't take it.


If there's to be a real discussion of any of this--that is, if Lawrence

just trolling--it would be useful if he would point to some significant
story or

event that was covered (or not covered) in the media such that its being

presented as it was presented or its not being presented at all was
favorable to

some factitious liberal 'point of view.'


I believe that anyone who thinks that there is such a general pro-liberal

must not watch much television or read any newspapers except The New York

The Boston Globe, and The Washington Post. As Berkeley says, 'Some truths

are so near and obvious to the mind that a man need only open his eyes to



Several things make me think that the Weekly Standard's experts' clever

statistical analysis' is nothing but hot air, of little value in actually

assessing the media's bent or its influence. First, FOX news is now the

cable news network. Second, the ADA is these days the fringe of a fringe,

positions may or may not reflect mainstream liberalism (a phrase that may

oxymoronish to some). It played no serious role in the recent election, and

specific views are, I'd bet, unknown to most liberals.


Oh, and about talk radio...


Robert Paul

Reed College




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