[lit-ideas] Re: The flu
- From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:28:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From the BBC article:
Dr Rennard told Reuters: "These tests were in the laboratory and it doesn't
test chicken soup clinically in colds.
A.A. This was not clinically tested. It may have worked in a test tube, but
there are no confirming studies in humans. It's a quantum leap and then some
from test tube to human body. Even from rat to human sometimes. The classic
example is thalidimide, which was safe in rats, devastating in humans.
Vegetable soup also worked, so where does the chicken come in? Note his last
line too: Dr Rennard added: "Of course, if you know somebody prepared soup for
you by hand, that might have an effect."
In other words, there's no basis for this in fact. It hasn't even been studied
in humans.
Andy Amago
-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Nov 28, 2004 10:49 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The flu
Monday, November 29, 2004, 3:06:51 AM, Andy Amago wrote:
AA> A.A. I would be interested in learning the anti-inflammatory
AA> ingredients in the chicken soup. The chicken? The hot water?
AA> The salt? The potatoes? Is this chest specialist selling the
AA> soup? Skin doctors often promote treatments they are invested in.
The chest specialist is Stephen Rennard, Larson Professor of Medicine in the
University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC) Pulmonary and Critical Care
Medicine Section in Omaha, Neb
(etc. etc.)
brief cv here
www.unmc.edu/publicaffairs/chickensoup/text/bio.htm
some articles by and about him here
http://www.findarticles.com/p/search?tb=art&qt=%22Stephen%20Rennard%22
(including "For this you need an MD?.. " here
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1511/is_n11_v14/ai_14513715
which gives his findings
the BBC news story here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/976348.stm
which also does
You want to ask Nebraska if he's selling soup?
AA> -----Original Message-----
AA> From: Judy Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
AA> Sent: Nov 28, 2004 5:50 PM
AA> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
AA> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The flu
AA> Sunday, November 28, 2004, 7:46:10 PM, Andy Amago wrote:
AA>> Colds and other sickness relief is often a result of the
AA>> placebo effect. The placebo effect is so powerful and so
AA>> quantitatively measurable that people with Parkinson's disease and
AA>> knee problems have reported improvement of symptoms from placebo
AA>> treatments. It might be why chicken soup "works".
AA> and it might be the ingredients: a US chest specialist found
AA> chicken soup has anti-inflammatory properties.
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Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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