[lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:41:06 -0800
Good grief. What your saying is irrelevant. I object to assertions that
aren't supported. I object to statements that purport to be conclusions but
aren't. If someone is going to argue. His argument needs to be logical.
This has nothing to do with new knowledge. If you believe Andreas was being
logical then you need as much help as he does.
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
Perhaps we should be embarrassed for you, Lawrence. A deductive
syllogism NEVER goes beyond its premises. The conclusion is always only
a setting out of the premises. Deduction never gets you new knowledge.
It merely clarifies what is already contained in the premises. For new
knowledge you need induction -- but induction sacrifices certainty.
Andreas was pointing out that you committed the error of four terms. A
proper syllogism can have only three terms (major, minor and middle). If
you use a word twice in your syllogism but it doesn't have the same
meaning both times, you have added a fourth term and, thus, committed a
formal fallacy.
US in Canada
Lawrence Helm wrote:
> I was embarrassed for you, Andreas. What you provided was in the form
> of a Syllogism but it wasn't one. It wasn't an argument. It is like
> saying that Saddam had brown hair and a mustache; therefore he was a
> brown-haired mustachioed individual. The term "therefore" implies a
> conclusion drawn from premises. But no conclusion is called for
> because brown-haired mustachioed doesn't go beyond brown-haired and
> having a mustache. You could say "in other words" for what you have in
> the form of a conclusion is synonymous with what you have in the form
> of premises.
>
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