[lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:05:00 -0800
You are entering the realm of nonsense once again, Phil. I made the
statement that a majority of Christians (including Catholics) opposed
pacifism. You disagreed with me. Your proof is that a majority of
Catholics cannot be opposed to pacifism because their leaders have ordered
them not to be. That's nonsense, Phil.
I'm trying to stick to the point here, Phil, not branch out into other
considerations.
I will grant that more Christians are told by their leaders to be pacifistic
than are actually pacifistic. There, can we move on?
Lawrence
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
Lawrence Helm wrote:
"And I've studied the matters we have been discussing albeit not recently.
Nevertheless, I made the statement that a majority of Christians were not
pacifistic. The fact that someone in the church demands that they be
doesn't change the fact that they are not."
That would be the ad populum thing again.
Lawrence continues:
"Human nature is the given. There is no scripture countering it insofar as
self-defense is concerned. Human nature isn't something that needs to be
authenticated by scripture. Sinful nature is countermanded, but it is not
sinful to defend yourself."
Your 'defend yourself' needs to be qualified by 'Love your neighbour as
yourself'. I have yet to see anything in your comments on your enemy that
would qualify as love, and in particular the self-sacrificing love of
Christ.
And before you jump to all sorts of conclusions, I am not saying that we
should let 'the enemy' have its way. That is not love either. There are
ways of responding to the enemy that address issues of justice while
demonstrating love.
Sincerely,
Phil Enns
Glen Haven, NS
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