I would agree that Christians view (or ought to view) themselves as peaceable. I can't bring to mind any Christian group that doesn't. Maybe Phil can. Being peaceable does not conflict with being willing to defend self, family and nation. We are peaceable, but we will defend ourselves against those who are not. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ursula Stange Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:59 AM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe History does show that, yes. All those burnings at the stake. All those wars of religion. But it doesn't necessarily follow that all those Christians wouldn't have insisted that they and their religion are fundamentally peaceable (even though driven to violence in their particular circumstances). After all, people rarely do what they say. And even less rarely, see that they don't. Ursula Lawrence Helm wrote: > No, not at all. Some Christians take certain passages to impose > pacifism. The bulk of Christians throughout history do not. > > .html > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html