Lawrence Helm wrote: "They [i.e. Lawrence's pacifist friends] ended up as ambivalent as the people here." That you thought this doesn't surprise me. You tell people what they believe and then, surprise, surprise, tell them that these beliefs are illogical, or ambivalent. There is nothing 'ambivalent' with the pacifist position that nation states are compelled to defend themselves and that a citizen of a state may believe that their participation in war is morally wrong. Furthermore, there is nothing 'ambivalent' in the belief that taking up arms is wrong and that one may find oneself in the position of having to defend one's family. Lawrence again: "Catholics are not pacifistic." A claim which shows how much you know about the state of contemporary Christianity. See the recent statement by U.S. Catholic bishops on war. Your 'knowledge' of Christianity is terribly parochial. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html