[lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
- From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:28:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Thinking we're doing anything other than making fools out of ourselves in Iraq
is not flattering, you're rigiht. It is in fact the simplicity of denial.
Also, thinking we have claws because we have great big firepower is not seeing
that we're being defeated by cell phones and laptops. If we can't see we're
being defeated, how can we win? Even the military says this stupid war can't
be won militarily. Are you listening Eric? The military says this war can't
be won militarily. It's all the more amazing that the neocons want yet another
one. And the Israelis. How stupid can they be? Pretty stupid obviously.
Also, had our isolationist selves let Iran and Iraq have their war, and if Iran
had won, they still had to sell that oil. We, the U.S., also wanted to nuke
the Chinese during the Cold War and the Soviet Union declined the offer. The
only thing that happened was we had no nuclear war. There's no way to predict
what would have happened, and demanding "preventive war" just shows us for what
we are, aggressive and war loving. Looks like we're being punished in Dante's
hell with the crime we committed. We started the war, and now we will spend
eternity in war, or a very, very long time anyway.
Just for the heck of it, seriously, what do you think of the war in Iraq? I
know you want to vaporize the terrorists, but how in your opinion does the war
in Iraq square with that objective?
-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2007 3:11 PM
>To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
>
>Andy to Lawrence: The difference between us is that your way
>to deal with it is to deny it, my way is to look at it.
>That might be the difference between right and left.
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>Eric: If that were true, it would be so flattering to one
>side and so humbling to the other. One side gets a pat on
>the back, the other a ruler to the knuckles. Ah, the
>simplicity of it all!
>
>If we could debate one issue at a time and resolve it,
>decide which position is most consistent with what we all
>know, vote on it in good faith and settle it in good faith,
>then move on to the next issue ... we might make progress.
>
>It would take lots of mental energy, lots of discipline,
>mutual good will, and open minds. In my opinion, the hardest
>thing for this List would be the discipline part, summoning
>the discipline to stick to a long project and summoning the
>discipline to avoid the easy kneejerk responses.
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>____
>Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought
>themselves good because they had no claws.
>- Friedrich Nietzsche,"Thus Spoke Zarathustra"
>
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