[lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat

  • From: Brian <cabrian@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:44:34 -0600

You never answered my question about defining "the military" so since you've used the phrase military expert here I'll use that as a working definition. Is Frank Gaffney a military expert? What about about Michael Ledeen? Ralph Peters? Robert Kaplan? General Jack Keane? Victor Davis Hanson? They all disagree with your statement.


The conspiracy deepens. You say that this view is ubiquitous but is also underground and you've absorbed it without noting who is saying it. The hallmark of critical thinking. Soylent Green is people! You're right that you've argued this point incessantly and that is why I'm calling you on it and find it without merit.

Are you going to answer me on what you meant by propaganda?

~Brian

On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:29 PM, Andy Amago wrote:

I can't give you quotes. The fact that the military says the war is not winnable is widely said by experts on the military. I absorbed the concept without noting the persons saying it, but I will tell you that I read and listen to only reputable sources. I do NOT get my information from the NYT. Bush himself said we're not winning; James Baker, Henry Kissinger, Bill Buckley. I don't read blogs except occasionally from Mother Jones. Unfortunately, Bush doesn't care what the military, most notably the Army, says. Rumsfeld thought they could get rid of the Army, or pare it way down and move into an age of technology substituting for soldiers.

I have argued this point incessantly. If I haven't made it by now, then it won't be made by me. I refer you to Thomas Ricks and others. They are much more eloquent and comprehensive than I am.

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