Lawrence Helm wrote: "Rather than go off on a tangent, why not show how those who accuse Eric of being morally equivalent to terrorists have a logical argument?" That would be your particular interest, and more power to you. But it isn't my interest and I feel no compuction for branching a thread off in the direction of my interests. Lawrence concludes: "I understand there is an illogical position, the one described above, and I think I understand it well enough to see its illogicality. I do understand it." One standard I use for determining whether I understand a position other than my own is whether I can rephrase the position and my interlocutor agrees that is what they believe. You didn't do so well in my case and from what I gather your success rate with others on this list is no better. But we all have our personae on this list and there is nothing wrong with that. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html