In a message dated 12/5/2013 12:50:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: That may be because he's busy yelling "Look what you started" at Pierre. On the other hand (usually the right one), we don't know what Pierre's _attitude_ is. In "Puzzling Pierre" (I think the title is), S. A. Kripke considers: i. Pierre believes that London is ugly. ii. Pierre believes that Londres is pretty. Edited from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Kripke Kripke's main propositions in "Naming and Necessity" concerning proper names are that the meaning of a name simply is the object it refers to and that a name's referent is determined by a causal link between some sort of "baptism" and the utterance of the name. Nevertheless Kripke acknowledges the possibility that propositions containing names may have some additional semantic properties, properties that could explain why two names referring to the same person may give different truth values in propositions about beliefs. Kripke's example: Lois Lane believes that Superman can fly, although she does not believe that Clark Kent can fly. This can be accounted for if the names "Superman" and "Clark Kent", though referring to the same person, have distinct semantic properties. Kripke seems to oppose even this possibility. Kripke's argument can be reconstructed in the following way. The idea that two names referring to the same object may have different semantic properties is supposed to explain that co-referring names behave differently in propositions about beliefs (as in Lois Lane's case). But the same phenomenon occurs even with co-referring names that obviously have the same semantic properties: Kripke invites us to imagine a French, monolingual boy, Pierre, who believes the following: i. Londres est joli. i.e. ib. London is beautiful. Then, Pierre moves to London without realizing that London = Londres. Pierre then, not without some difficulty, learns enough English the same way a child would learn the language, that is, not by translating words from French to English. Pierre learns the name "London" from what he thinks is the unattractive part of the city in which he lives, so he comes to believe that London is not beautiful, and he says it: ii. London is not beautiful. If Kripke's account is correct, Pierre now believes both that "Londres" is "joli" and that "London" is not beautiful. This cannot be explained by co-referring names having different semantic properties. According to Kripke, this demonstrates that attributing additional semantic properties to names does not explain what it is intended to. Or not, of course. Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html