I've always preferred Augustine over Aquinas.. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: The Problem of Evil Date: 3/9/06 2:47:51 A.M. Central Standard Time From: _teme17@xxxxxxxxxx (mailto:teme17@xxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: I've been told, and not that I really know anything about this, that the Catholic position on original sin and existence of evil is from Augustine. Augustine, and not that I know that much about his philosophy either, held that God exists outside time, or perhaps better that God sees the creation as a whole from beginning to eternity. That is time itself is part of creation, and because God is omnipotent, he therefore is not bound by time. While everything that happens to us is predestined, the whole notion of predestination presumes time, that is a sequence of events. We are doomed by our imperfection to see as a continuity what is a whole. I think may be wrong about this, but isn't the original sin for Augustine man choosing to step into temporal existence with all the misery it contains? I always thought that the idea of God outside time was extremely clever. Ad hoc and unhelpful, but still. Cheers, Teemu Helsinki, Finland __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html