R. Paul "'Barbarian' was originally neutral; I don't think Aristotle ever uses it pejoratively. Athenians had no need for a supply of barbarians. 'Natural slaves' (doulos) are discussed near the beginning of the Politics; such people are slaves by nature, minimally rational, and minimally virtuous— rational and virtuous only to the extent that they are capable of understanding and carrying out the despotes' requests. Natural slavery is different from legal slavery, e.g. captives and prisoners of war who are set to work in the lead mines and elsewhere. It was in principle possible to escape from legal bondage." Very interesting. So I would think that in the Grecian scheme of things, you were either 'citizen' (polites, full rights), or 'barbarian' (resident -- I think they did have a term of 'resident barbarian' but it escapes me), 'illegal barbarians, possibly, and 'doulos' (natural or otherwise legal). Given the poor state of Greek unification (which Geary thinks a good thing -- "The South Shall Rise Again") I will not be surprised then that a former Spartan (citizen) may find himself being a 'legal slave' (and thus no longer a 'citizen' for an Athenian (citizen). It was a good thing though that the Sparta/Athens war was _won_ by Sparta then. Cheers, JL author of "The Importance of Being Dorian -- and other essays on Greek Post-Colonialism ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com