L. K. Helm was elaborating on the idea of analytic philosophy as anti-humanist. What I do consider, upon reflection, is that within the corridors of analytic philosophy, in the golden age of R. M. Hare, at least, the word 'moral' was anathema. One was supposed to do _meta-ethics_, never ethics. Since as Grice recognises in "The Conception of Value" footnote, Oxonians could not conceive themselves as having the _authority_ to moralise. They would accept at most a sort of individualistic moralising alla Strawson in "Freedom and Resentment". The things are changing now. Incidentally, this reflection I had upon reading the Loeb I received today: Juvenal, SATURAE. One of the saturae is entitled in the translation as "Moralists Without Morals". It's very degenrate, but for some reason, got me thinking on R. M. Hare, and Helm's idea that analytic philosophy is _possibly_ pretty 'anti-humanistic' in that Erasmus would make Hare _vomit_. Cheers, JL Buenos Aires, Argentina. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com