In a message dated 2/13/2010 12:37:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I paint. Though it's still messy and the process is way short of the certainty you describe, it is a manageable task, with an end point. Eventually a painting tells you when it's done. --- In Italian, a painting it's feminine: "A painting tells you when _she_ is done." (with you, I implicate she does?) JLS