In a message dated 6/6/2014 6:36:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in ""Group selection", "natural selection": chimp-group violence it is not clearly a sign of any greater fitness in a Darwinian way. We might have to face the fact that chimps whose individual fitness was less than another group might nevertheless manage to exterminate that group by picking off its members one by one: one group survives not because it is more ‘ fit’ or more intelligent but simply because it is more prone to gang violence. For these reasons, we may question whether chimp “group selection” via chimp-on-chimp killing falls within the ambit of “natural selection” of a Darwinian kind. Nim Chimpsky Simple-minded Darwinist ---- So it seems we should distinguish: survival of the fittest-1 from survival of the fittest-2 If 'fit' applies to the individual, it is the original Darwinian (and Spen cerian) slightly vacuous statement: "The fittest survives" -- meaning the fittest INDIVIDUAL survives. I'm surprised that Spencer and Darwin, who were careful with their language, did not notice that 'fittest' is a superlative adjective in need or search for a missing noun ('fittest WHAT?', as Garfield could ask). survival of the fittest-2 then applies to the fittest GROUP (of chimps) survives. Darwin, alas, like Noam Chomsky, were unable to explain why Nim Chimpsky never wrote his own memoirs. Cheers, Speranza -------- Nim Chimpsky (November 19, 1973 – March 10, 2000) In the entry for April 17, 1998, Nim Chimpsky uttered his longest utterance: "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." the implicatures of which are somewhat _fuzzy_. A. Palma suggests that the imperative form, "give!" is obviously the kernel of the utterance. "The subject is of course Nim Chimpsky's care-giver" -- usually left just implicated in colloquial speech, but not by Nim Chimpsky, who represents this as "you", with which he closes his utterance. The indirect object Nim Chimpsky himself ("me" -- strictly 'to me'). The DIRECT object of 'give' is complex "orange". The 'orange' is to be eaten. So 'orange' is, syntactically, both the direct object of both 'give' and 'eat' (in that order) -- cfr. "you cannot have your orange given and eat it too" (implicature: unless you mean 'successively'). The fact that 'orange' is repeated four times is 'ambiguous' qua implicature-triggerer. "It may be that he means that FOUR oranges" be given to him -- or, as Palma suggests, "it may just be emphatic". ""Me" is also repeated four times", which Palma suggests may be proof of Kant's transcendental apperception of the ego -- if I understood him alright, that is. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html