In a message dated 5/15/2009 12:23:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Donal Prof Of Gravedigging Dept of Old Wives Tales ---- Thinking of it, it's odd that Socrates said that life is for the dying when he spent most of his life in the art of giving birth (maieutic). If you think of it, the strict equivalent of 'to die' (a pseudo-verb, as I call it), is 'to be born' or as I prefer 'to be conceived'. Surely one can choose where to die, but it's harder to choose where to be born or even where to be conceived. To paraphrase Wittgenstein: "Being conceived is not an event of life. We do not live to experience to be conceived" JLS **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html