In a message dated 5/15/2009 8:51:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Of course we can widen the idea of "experience" further so that we do "experience" growing hair, nails etc. ---- Quite an unfortunate example, if you ask me. Surely Wittgenstein _grew_ hair and nails _after he died_. We don't need witty Ayer for 'after-life' experiences. Vendler's point is clear: With some important verbs, like 'know' we cannot say "I am knowing" ('know' is an _achievement_ verb). What kind of important 'event' in the life would 'death' be when the corresponding verb, 'to die' can _only_ be used in the present continous in the first person, and then fallaciously, "I am dying"? I must just as well believe in the _Cogito_. Grice's example was the beheaded hen. Yes, she runs after you cut her head. But that's 'anaphoric'. Ditto, a plant lives. Yet, when Natasha (Richardson) was _brain-dead_ (a silly retronym if ever there was one) her husband could not wait _one_ minute of Aristotelian endurance. Surely the woman was, like a plant, alive. (For Aristotle, the seat of life is the lung and chest, the thyme, not the brain). JLS **************Recession-proof vacation ideas. Find free things to do in the U.S. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/domestic/national-tourism-week?ncid=emlcntustrav00000002) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html