[lit-ideas] Re: The Irish Slaves in the New World

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:21:07 +0200

Just to clarify, it's not "Omar's article", it is not a topic I know much
about, but someone drew my attention to this issue recently and so I
thought that I'd ask those who might know more about this, being American,
Irish, or both.

O.K.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:16 PM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> The Wikipedia “read” is the one I’m familiar with, but when I read Omar’s
> article I thought it wouldn’t surprise me if some of that went on.  British
> kings had enormous problems with Scot as well as the Irish.  As we know
> James 1 (I think it was) sought to solve two problems with one act by
> sending Scots into Northern Ireland.  The displaced Irish supposedly found
> living space further south.  Would Britain have gone to the expense of
> shipping some of them to the New World – perhaps, if British aristocrats
> living there needed workers – as Omar’s article asserts.
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> Susan and I both have Scottish ancestry, at least we think so.  I have an
> ancestor named Huston who came over at about the time the British garment
> industry got a law passed decimating against cheaper and better Scottish
> (Northern Ireland) cloth.   Many Scots gave up and moved to the new world
> at that time – not as slaves but perhaps some as indentured servants.
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> A few years back I submitted my DNA to ancestry.com.  The first surprise
> was that the family tradition that we were part American Indian was not
> supported by DNA results – no Indian.
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> The second and more recent surprise is that they say I am 22% Irish.  It
> may be that “Irish” is a broad brush that includes Scotland because further
> down in their explanation they group the two – sometimes they group Wales
> as well.  In books on genetics that I’ve read there is apparently
> difficulty separating Ireland from Scotland – they can do it with people
> living in those places today but perhaps they have more difficulty with
> someone as far removed as I am.  My ancestors go way back in the “New
> World” and of course there are few written records
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> But I may really be 22% Irish and not Scottish at all – that would be a
> big shock, but it could account for my well-known pugnacious attitude.  J
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> For the rest I am 52% Western Europe (another indication of the broader
> brush Ancestry.com is using today.  From ancestry information most of my
> ancestors came from Britain; which of course is in Western Europe), 9%
> Scandinavian, and 9%Italy/Greece.
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> But who knows, maybe some of my ancestors were Irish slaves – knowing the
> way the Irish think I doubt that they stayed slaves long.  ;-)
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> Lawrence
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> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *David Ritchie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2014 8:25 AM
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: The Irish Slaves in the New World
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> See here for a more nuanced read:
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant
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> David Ritchie,
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> Portland, Oregon
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> On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:39 PM, Omar Kusturica wrote:
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> Anyone knows anything about this ?
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> http://www.irishfreedom.net/Cultural/Articles/The%20Irish%20Slave%20Trade.htm
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