[lit-ideas] Re: The IPT on CAIR
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:09:03 +0100
These are founders of CAIR? They've all been *arrested* (in
connection with terrorism charges)? (No.)
>To keep what is happening in perspective, I have maintained
>(along with Horowitz and Spencer) that the Left is supportive of Islamism
we noticed
>and Judy the Leftist quibbled about whether this was truly a fatwa
> or merely a threat
I'm really sorry you don't understand the difference between a fatwa
and one Muslim posting something on a bulletin board -- but that's your
problem, not mine
>and as the details of the FrontPageMag letter came more to light,
>she defended CAIR by claiming that none of its founding members
>had ever been in jail.
I checked it out online, the people listed as its founding members
have never been arrested and charged with terrorism. Any amount of
*stuff* by you listing other Muslims who may or may nor have
been *arrested* *on terrorism charges* is *irrelevant*.
>Neither of them were interested in the assertion that the lawyer employed
>to go after Spencer with all possible means was the General Counsel for
> the Democratic National Committee.
the lawyer's *a lawyer*, Lawrence, this is the kind of thing they do.
>Judy attacked Spencer by making light of the legal actions
>instituted against him and making a disparaging comparison
>with someone she thinks more deserving.
1. I pointed out there wasn't a legal action against Spencer (call that
'making light' if you will....)
2. I objected to a comparison between Spencer and the journalist
Horowitz sought to link with him -- *Horowitz' comparison*, in *an email
to you* -- a journalist murdered because of his investigations into
criminal behaviour by members of a Black Muslim group. I suppose
I do think the late Chauncey Bailey 'more deserving' yes.
Lawrence you have become a troll. Shut up.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: Lit-Ideas
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 4:06 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] The IPT on CAIR
http://www.investigativeproject.org/
According to the House Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on
Terrorism, Congressman Peter Hoekstra "the Investigative Project on Terrorism
has performed a true public service in compiling this material . . ."
I posted some material the Investigative Project on Terrorism compiled on
CAIR, but it may not have made it onto Lit-Ideas -- at least it didn't appear
in my in basket. So here is just the web site.
http://www.investigativeproject.org/FCNA-CAIR.html
To keep what is happening in perspective, I have maintained (along with
Horowitz and Spencer) that the Left is supportive of Islamism. Notice what
happened when I posted a note entitled
Here it is again in its entirety (the note that so offended two of Lit-Ideas'
Leftists):
[One of the most active anti-Islamists I've run across is Robert Spencer. He
wrote such books as The Myth of Islamic Tolerance: How Islamic Law Treats
Non-Muslims, Religion of Peace?; Why Christianity is and Islam isn't, The
Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), and The Truth about
Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion.
Anyway, the Islamists have had enough of him. They've filed a lawsuit
against him: "A powerful Washington, D.C. law firm told YAF that Robert was,
in essence, a hate-filled liar and that CAIR had ordered the law firm "to purse
every available and appropriate legal remedy to redress any false and
defamatory statements that made" at the conference." [sic]
And I suppose to distance themselves from the hate-filled Spencer, they've
issued a fatwa: "May Allah rip out his spine from his back and split his
brains in two, and then put them both back, and then do it over and over."
You've got to love their thought processes: You say we aren't peaceful and
tolerant? You can't get away with that: May Allay rip out your spine from your
back and split your brains in two, and then put them back, and then do it over
and over. You've got to love it.
Lawrence
ps: Where did I get this information? I was sent a letter asking me to
contribute to Spencer's legal defense fund. It was in that letter.]
I posted this note because I found the Fatwa provocative and amusing, but
Mike the Leftist didn't find it amusing and called Spencer an intolerant bigot
for the titles of his books, and Judy the Leftist quibbled about whether this
was truly a fatwa or merely a threat and as the details of the FrontPageMag
letter came more to light, she defended CAIR by claiming that none of its
founding members had ever been in jail. Neither of them were interested in the
assertion that the lawyer employed to go after Spencer with all possible means
was the General Counsel for the Democratic National Committee. Judy attacked
Spencer by making light of the legal actions instituted against him and making
a disparaging comparison with someone she thinks more deserving.
In short, they attack Spencer and Horowitz for their anti-Jihadist,
anti-Islamists efforts and Judy has gone further and defends CAIR. In other
words, down with those who attack the Jihadists and Islamists and up with an
Islamist-supporting organization.
Lawrence
Congressman Peter Hoekstra,
Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Congressman Peter Hoekstra,
Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
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