Saturday, March 19, 2005, 7:58:17 PM, Eric Yost wrote: EY> I don't understand the impulse to idealize women as nurturing EY> benevolence incarnate. It feels as if one loopy pedestal is being EY> exchanged for another. The "why" is interesting, yes. When it's a political claim (when it's employed by a suffrage movement or by a campaign for women police officers -- e.g., but I chose them because I know about them!) then it's an option used against opponents who argue women shouldn't get the vote (be police officers) because they (we) are not men's equals, i.e. are different from men. Anne Phillips has said this tactical use of difference, by women and others, comes into play because the moral argument from equality has, time after time, failed. (I think I have the reference for that fairly near the computer; but it's either bedtime or TV-time, so, I won't look for it now!). Jean Elshtain's early piece on the suffrage argument from difference showed how the argument was turned back on women, turned against them (not by invoking the other side you mention), John ?'s work on the campaign for women police officers shows one possible effect of such a campaign even when it succeeds. But the writers I've mentioned aren't using it that way. And Mirembe's beliefs have -- I think I'm right -- to do with motherhood, rather than with "women". And much as I hate to admit it, there is clear evidence that (as things are now) a greater percentage of women than men stand for peace. The Bush victory is only an apparent blip in the history of the US's gender gap (obvious since 1960, and, I would argue, existent then too) and it appears that concern about terrorism swayed certain groups of women to Bush. I can get even more boring than this, Eric -- so watch out! Does this answer your question? No -- I don't think it does. But perhaps it goes some little way towards a partial answer Judy -- mailto:judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html