Palma (whose surname means "palma") says: "I get annoyed --which is not the same thing- by the tiresome repetition of yes bullshit (mierda de toros, sounds better?) on the "frame of reference"" ---- Perhaps you should start using the OED -- I suppose your Ducal connection allows the connection, and start loving some expressions. We have to admit, non-native speakers of English, that this OED is a MINE of WISDOM and a true LABOUR OF LOVE. What other dictionary for what other language does provide such a wealth of information? ----(Am I assuming, I hope, that your native language -- first language -- *is* Indo-European. I like this guessing game) -- Your country of origin starts with an "A"? frame of reference: (i) A system of co-ordinate axes in relation to which position may be defined and motion conceived of as taking place. 1897 A. E. H. LOVE Theoretical Mechanics i. 5 A set of lines of reference such as OA, OB, OC with respect to which the position of a point P can be determined will be called a frame of reference. Ibid. xiii. 360 ‘Acceleration’, and by consequence ‘force’, have no meaning except as dependent on a frame; ‘acceleration’ means ‘acceleration relative to a frame’, and similarly with force. 1928 A. S. EDDINGTON Nature Physical World iii. 61 The particular frame in which we are relatively at rest has a symmetry with respect to us which other frames do not possess. 1942 SYNGE & GRIFFITH Princ. Mech. i. 12 Latitude and longitude define position on the earth's surface; we are here using the earth as a frame of reference. 1965 J. D. NORTH Measure of Universe xvi. 362 The triply-infinite set of inertial frames connected by the Lorentz transformations is often referred to as a new ‘Absolute’. 1967 RODBERG & THALER Introd. Quantum Theory of Scattering x. 260 The S matrix we have been using..describes collisions in an arbitrary reference frame. (ii) fig. and transf. (Always as frame of reference.) A set of standards, beliefs, or assumptions governing perceptual or logical evaluation or social behaviour. 1924 Sci. Amer. Dec. 401/1 This is the mind's ‘frame of reference’ for the facts of the outer world. 1933 G. B. SHAW Polit. Madhouse Amer. 16 If I may borrow an expression from my friend Professor Archibald Henderson, who is a mathematician, he had no frame of reference. He had no scientific postulates of any kind. He was in the air. 1936 M. SHERIF Psychol. Soc. Norms ii. 9 We shall give concrete examples to illustrate the existence of norms or frames of reference which are different from those that are taken by western civilization to be as ‘natural’ as air or water. 1949 KOESTLER Insight & Outlook xxvii. 366 In each pair two universes clash, two self-contained frames of reference, two hierarchies of values intersect. 1957 V. G. CHILDE Dawn Europ. Civilization (ed. 6) x. 176 But his [sc. Montelius's] disciples and imitators have clumsily extended his system beyond the regions for which it was devised and have used it as a frame of reference into which cultural phenomena in Central Europe, South Russia, and even Turkestan must be fitted! 1958 Listener 6 Nov. 724/1 There is as yet no assured frame of reference for comparisons between the scrolls and the New Testament. 1967 A. ARENT Gravedigger's Funeral xii. 192 That was the thing about Jenny. Her frame of reference. She was solid. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)