Hi guys and gals and gays, I've never understood a single world Richard Hinninge has written, nor palma, nor Walter O. and very few of Donal's or RP's or JL's, I'm sometimes jealous that I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about, but not usually. I'm comfortable in my ignorance so long as I feel good about myself. The concerns that I concern myself with usually concern my emotional life, not my philosophical angst. So get a life, fellas. Thankfully, this list hasn't what you guys want it to be -- an athenaeum dedicated to lectures in the various branches of Philosophy, Rhetoric, Grammar and Jurisbullshitery -- instead, it's like Oprah. : ) Even so, I must leave you for a period. Yes, yes, Walter won't have me to kick around anymore. At least not for awhile. But I'll be back and, no doubt with a vengeance. Things have gotten godawful disarrayed here and will take a bit of time to straighten out, else I'd never let you I-know-everything kind of people live in peace. Peace, Mike Geary . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Henninge" <RichardHenninge@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Educational Value of Slips of the Whatever > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donal McEvoy" <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 6:23 PM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Educational Value of Slips of the Whatever > > > > --- On Tue, 29/9/09, Richard Henninge wrote: > > >> I pray, and I think we should all so pray that Donal is >> indeed "mistaken" that "any assertion, including those as to >> the validity of deductive inferences, is possibly or >> potentially mistaken." This is an extremely radical >> position, fit, metaphorically speaking, to put quicksand >> under the basis of all our mutual understanding, unless >> Donal is saying, in effect, "not to worry--even if a given >> assertion as to the validity of deductive inferences is >> mistaken, that would not preclude the validity of deductive >> inferences so asserted." > > Comments: > > 1. The last statement does not follow from the premiss I used: from the fact > that the validity of a (putative) deductive inference "is possibly or > potentially mistaken" (my premiss) we cannot leap to the conclusion that it > "is mistaken" (Richard's conclusion). > > ... > > Two comments: > > 1a. It can no longer be glancingly admonished as a "slip of the whatever" > when an interlocutor misstates his own premisses, including the > unacknowledged singularizing of his originally sweeping generalization > ("any assertion, including those as to the validity of _deductive > inferences_, ... ) and the unacknowledged replacing of his original "any > assertion ... as to the validity of" by the completely different "fact of > the validity of ... " what has now become his singular and parenthetically > qualified "(putative) deductive inference." > > 2a. Furthermore, the conclusion I supposedly leap to is just the opposite of > what Donal credits me with claiming. I do not say that "Donal says, in > effect" that the _assertion_ of the validity or invalidity of deductive > inferences makes them so, makes them valid or invalid, but that such > assertion leaves them cold, so to speak, and hence does not "preclude" their > validity or invalidity. I in no way say either that, because (as Popper > says) the assertion of the validity of deductive inferences or (as Donal is > now saying) the actual validity of those deductive inferences "is possibly > or potentially mistaken," _either_ that the assertion of their validity _or_ > that their actual validity "is mistaken." What I disagree with is the use of > the word "validity" as, in some way, scalar. If this so-called validity is > historically conditioned or if it can be impinged upon by such > life-and-death scenarios as those proposed by Donal, or if this validity > _can be_ mistaken, it seems to me it must be of an entirely different > category than logical statements of the sort, "if P & Q, then Q." It's the > putting in question of the validity of _that_ (remember, "... any assertion > ...") that makes me wonder what intelligent discussion is going to look like > without some such necessary logical infrastructure. > > Richard Henninge > University of Mainz > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html