https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tVjyYY4hRg
On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Donal McEvoy <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Talk amongst yourselves....>
Perhaps Ursula should have stuck with the normal US variant "among", which
is easier to say without slurring after an epic pub crawl. Otoh, it is
polite to imply there is more than two of us.
D
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*From:* Ursula Stange <Ursula@xxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* Thursday, 2 March 2017, 4:31
*Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: The Bird & Baby
Been there. Done that. Also the Lamb and Flag. That's all. Talk
amongst yourselves....
On Mar 1, 2017, at 6:49 PM, (Redacted sender "jlsperanza" for DMARC) <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
McEvoy observes re: Ritchie's reference to "The Philosopher's Arms" --
where Matthew Sweet examines philosophical problems with a live audience in
a pub --:
"Well obviously Heidegger would have whatever Hitler was having. But then
Hitler was banned for fomenting a putsch last time he brought his crowd in.
So, following Die Fuhrer's later example, Heidegger should have a large
hemlock and soda or, to keep in with late period Nazi trends, a cyanide and
soda. Sticking with German-speakers but moving on from Nazi sympathizers,
Wittgenstein and Popper wouldn't be drinking anything alcoholic, and Popper
would have cotton wool in his ears to protect them against the jukebox so
he wouldn't hear any offer of a drink."
Oddly, H. P. Grice, since we are talking of Witters, had a bit of a split
personality, in the right usage of 'personality'. Anyone familiar with St.
John's (no, not Jesus's cousin, but the educational institution at Oxford,
formerly a Cistercian monastery -- but I don't use "College", since Nancy
Mitford says that it's "non-U" to add "college" to something that is
OBVIOUSLY so -- and in a context when I cannot be referring to Jesus's
cousin) knows that there are, within walking distance, but one across the
street, TWO pubs: Bird and Baby (of Lewis's and Tolkien's fame) and "Lamb
and Flag."
Now, while Matthew Sweet examines philosophical problems (with an attempt
at dissolving them, I expect) with a live audience in a pub, Grice didn't.
When Grice moved to Berkeley ("Westward the empire strikes its way") he
noted the absence of 'pubs' -- short for 'public house'. Benson Mates, a
colleague at Berkeley, corrected Grice: "Strictly, there ARE public houses
in Berkeley, but not in YOUR usage." This is possibly the first non-use of
'implicature', since Mates meant, "in your implicature'.
Etc.
Note incidentally, the implicature of 'live' audience as opposed to an
'alive' audience. Sweet is playing with the fact that Grice once said, "We
should treat those philosophers who were great [as Witters wasn't -- the
implicature going, since he has just called him 'minor, like Bosanquet and
Wollaston] and dead as if they were great and alive." The implicature is
'live', but Grice won't say it!
Bob Dylan would say that the difference between a 'live audience' (or
spectator, as I prefer) and an 'alive' audience (or spectator) rests in
that particle he is so fond of: "as we were a-walking in the fields" -- the
'balladic' "a-" (Anglo-Saxon "y-").
And stuff.
Speranza
