Lawrence Helm wrote: "A non-sequitur is something which doesn?t logically follow from its assumptions so assumptions must be present either explicitly or implicitly." Not quite. A non sequitur is a conclusion that does not follow from its premises. In your case, it is drawing the conclusion that 'these people' don't understand the importance of fighting the enemy from the fact that they are calling for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. As I have shown, it is possible to understand the importance of fighting and call for a withdrawal. Your only response has been that you have different assumptions, which is fine, but the argument as given remains a non sequitur. Lawrence continues: "Thus if the Americans withdrew and if that withdrawal enhanced the Islamist posture even temporarily, they would declare it a victory." Again, if the facts on the ground are those of moving towards a victory by the U.S., what does it matter what the jihadists say? It would be like Saddam's Information Minister telling the press how far away U.S. troops are when they are within earshot. Whatever bin Laden may say, the jihadists know that their situation is becoming increasingly untenable because they are the ones experiencing the reality on the ground. So, again, why does it matter that bin Laden would declare victory? Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html