In a message dated 9/21/2004 1:46:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, erin.holder@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Is "that's that" a tautology? ---- Well, yes, at the level of what is _explicated_ -- as all tautologies (patent and other) should be judged (_contra_ Geary). Note that 'that's that' usually occurs as a closing utterance-part of one's conversational move, "The king of Ruritania is dead, and that's that" --- In terms of logic, that would be: p -- & -- "tautology: e.g. p v ~ p" The point seems to be that the tautological character of 'that's that' (with fixed indexicals, that is) is retro-phorically translated to the previous (usually contingent) contingency ("The king of Ruritania is dead"). The further implicature then seems to be: "And there's nothing we can do about it". Why _that_ is expressed by 'that's that' escapes me. (In Italian, it's "this is this"). Cheers, JL ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html