Actually this thread has picked on and enlarged upon an isolated point in the article I posted, but I could hardly expect otherwise. I just hope that Eric will assure me that, when someone puts a knife on his throat and asks him how much he has on himself, he will answer in accordance with the universal standards of truth and falsehood. O.K. --- Eric <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>Don't we privilege this practice by referring > to it as a "truth culture"? It's lying. Non-Muslim > people lie for exactly the same reasons. Lawyers, > for example, are tasked with defending their > clients, and consider it good and appropriate to > position and shape statements that benefit their > clients. > > Let me try to make this clearer. You have group A, > which is inclusive, welcoming, and operates under > what it considers to be universal standards of > truth and falsehood. You have group B, which is > exclusive, clannish, and operates solely for its > own benefit. > > To call it a Culture of Lying is to posit a > difference in lying itself! But it isn't lying > that changes. It's the Group. It's all determined > by group attitudes toward strangers, not by the > nature of truth and falsehood. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, > vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit > www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html